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Masamune is one of those men of the machine men for whom, as Simone Weil said 70 years ago, "it is the thing that thinks, and man is reduced to a thing." There's nothing you can say to people who argue like that, as long as they are willing to carry on the charade of absurdity. If I am predisposed to homosexuality, it seems odd to celebrate its flourishing, unless I were genetically predisposed to that as well. You're genetically disposed to believe in genetic disposition.Īll of which is very morbid. Kickstart is genetically disposed to hate my bigotry. I'm also genetically predisposed, I suppose, to asexuality, Catholic conservatism, and imitating the polemic of certain extreme Right-wing American authorities. You see, I am typing this late at night because I am genetically predisposed to argue against you on this very issue. There is no scientific consensus on the causes of homosexuality, and not even a respectable argument that the genetic providence of homosexuality is so determinate as to predict not only his dispositions, but his actions. #69 Sigh, if you want to employ scientific illustration, I'd advise you not to impose speculation as science. If laws and morality address acts, they also address states, at least in the case of homosexuality. It's what is described as an extended phenotype because the genes responsible for what an organism is are also attributable to what that organism does. Much the same way a homosexual has a predisposition to commit homosexual acts, a beaver has a predisposition to commit dam-building acts. Vain hope, I know.Īcts are within the realm of behaviour, which happen to be influenced by one's biology in every instance. Once you get past the notion that there are a group of hostile ideologues out to persecute you, maybe you will return to normal concerns of cultivating good manners and deciding what positive role you can contribute to your community. I would not want the gay priders to waste any more of their mental energies fighting the persecution complex. Once you get past the notion that there is a group of hostile ideologues out to persecute you, maybe you will return to normal concerns of cultivating good manners and deciding what positive role you can contribute to your community. I don't support them, but I would not waste a single breath against them. Truth to be told, I am indifferent as to what positive rights homosexual claim or collect in my country. Now, if I attack gay pride on any level, your self-blindsighting will always redirect the argument to your monofixation on positive rights. However, you object to the restatement, and here is why:īy emphasizing the who a person is, and avoiding what he chooses to do, you dodge both morality, and all facets of law other than the upper abstract layer of positive rights. If the two are equivalent, or if I by distinguishing the two am sidestepping, then you ought to have no objection to my statement revising the concepts as such.
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By turning it into a debate about who you are and not what you do, it is you and everyone else who posits the position who is really distorting the debate. Both laws and morality address acts and not states, as I argued to Masamune. That's just being silly and sidestepping the point.All you are saying is "its okay to be homosexual but not to act on your homosexuality", surely you see the contradiction there. You say that it isn't illegal to be gay, only to perform homosexual acts.
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Molkte you are dancing around the subject just like so many of the conservatives here in the states that I despise. There's a reason why the West is much more progressed than those and part of it has to do with equal rights. Let's not use those societies as a standard. It's not admirable, but it's not a thing to be tsked away with a wag of the finger. As they are, they serve the needs of various primitive societies which place a high premium on social cohesion. Usually those laws regulate and govern peoples with a great propensity for committing such acts. Generally, the places where homosexuality is most harshly regarded, also take greatest offence at other forms of sexual licence, such as fornication or adultery.
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No law makes it illegal to be "who you are." It makes it illegal to perform certain acts salient to your character. Judging by our standards, Saudi Arabia is the most gay-friendly country on earth, where men hold hands in public without any embarrassment. In no country is it illegal to be "gay." In some countries it is illegal to perform homosexual acts, sodomy if you will. I must correct everyone on a minor but relevant point.